Domain name finance / Domain stock market

thought of it. never looked deeper. not sure if one exists. maybe?
anyone knows?

this could be tricky to setup. but good useful idea that may serve some.

maybe this can be extended into sharing of renewal fees for domains too somehow.. what do you think? say someone regged 1000x 5l.com domain patterns during chinese craze... and he wants to find another guy who believes in this investment.. and they decide to split renewal costs for a year or two.. then share half half profits on any sales... type of thing.

good points made and especially now that many people have large pre registration portfolios to buy but may spend more than their budget etc but the domain may be too good not to buy which would be the perfect opportunity for domain name investors to invest in other peoples pre registration domain names

and domain name renewal fees etc most domain name investors would agree to paying double the renewal fee if a domain name they could not afford to purchase or renew could be theirs thanks to a domain name investor because the multiples from reg fee to sale can be astronomical depending on the quality of the domain name

in such a scenario - the domain name investor doubles their investment

and the domain name investor who could not afford to buy the domain gets to own they could not initially afford to own eg a win win

there are lots of opportunities in domain name finance that are not currently available to domain name investors

well said.

in the end, if you own say 1000 regfee domains.. that u want to keep renewing for few years.. be it brandables which many people still get regfee today (and sell too in many cases!) ... or cause its a futuristic niche ... or cause you believe in return of chinese market and wanna keep your rare 1000x 5l.com patterns that you were first person to run to get when the niche started.. or whatever other reasons.. well.. that's ~8000$ per year... tough amount to cover for many among us... but.. find yourself 8 partners.. and suddenly its a very managable 1000$ per year cost!!!

not too bad huh?

its renewing domains that gets domain investors in a pickle so to speak because when they start out they might spend $10 here and there and buy a handful of domains etc with not really knowing what to do with them etc and they may buy a few more during the course of the year etc but when it comes to renewing domains they have to decide wether to renew existing domains or drop some of their existing domains because during the year they are seeing better domains than they want to invest in them

but during the last year i started a practice account eg stocks and shares and now that i have built up a portfolio of stocks etc in my practice account i have learnt how stocks and shares investing works etc which is much the same as a domain name portfolio etc

if a person has 100 domain names in their portfolio etc and for example we'll assume they are all good quality .com's etc - not even the owner can tell which of those domain names they will get an enquiry on next - but as long as they own those domains and can renew them etc - sales will come in due course

and its how the owner uses the money from the sales that come in etc

there will be a time when a domain name portfolio becomes self funding and then profitable

but until that time domain investors may require instant finance - and currently instant finance is not currently available or definitely not mainstream yet which it needs to be for the industry to progress

no different to cars either - if people cant part exchange or buy on finance etc not many cars would be sold

so would your idea be more focused on sharing the renewal costs on portofolios or more to share financing of new acquisitions to make for this "shared" portofolio of aftermarket domains?
or both?

alcy said:

so would your idea be more focused on sharing the renewal costs on portofolios or more to share financing of new acquisitions to make for this "shared" portofolio of aftermarket domains?
or both?

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possibly like a pawnbroker style arrangement for domain name renewal and main name purchase

eg the pawnbroker buys the domain name at reg fee for domain name investor or renews the domain name for the domain name investor on a the domain name becomes the domain name investors property upon the domain name investor pays the pawnbroker twice reg fee

but domain name portfolio's should be the same as stocks eg where investors can buy a % of a person or businesses domain name portfolio which as soon as a part of a domain name portfolio is purchased it give the whole portfolio a value and allows the original owner of the whole portfolio the opportunity to add to that portfolio to the benefit of both the investor and part owner of the portfolio

all interesting concepts and ideas. that may take effort and time to implement. complexity factor present.

however, it did cross perosnally my mind before, be it during last year chinese buyouts and trends, or some futuristic niches I involve with.. or even like I Said maintaining a few hundred domain portfolio of brandables for few years either handreged or bought low cost from othrs like can be done on NP... to come up with concept of renewal fee sharing between a few reputable and reliable honest np members.. of which there are plenty here... and after arranging some rules of this game and of engagement to play by, I think this could become an interesting idea to pursue!

in the end, it takes many seasoned domainers many years to get the right enduser and right profit and sale on their domains. multiply that by a portofolio of 1000 domains or 10 000 domains in some cases out there, and suddenly u have great renewal costs, on names, which as you put it, you simply do not know when the next inquiry or sale may come. cause we're not talking the liquid type here.

maybe I should do something about my idea.

alcy said:

all interesting concepts and ideas. that may take effort and time to implement. complexity factor present.

however, it did cross perosnally my mind before, be it during last year chinese buyouts and trends, or some futuristic niches I involve with.. or even like I Said maintaining a few hundred domain portfolio of brandables for few years either handreged or bought low cost from othrs like can be done on NP... to come up with concept of renewal fee sharing between a few reputable and reliable honest np members.. of which there are plenty here... and after arranging some rules of this game and of engagement to play by, I think this could become an interesting idea to pursue!

in the end, it takes many seasoned domainers many years to get the right enduser and right profit and sale on their domains. multiply that by a portofolio of 1000 domains or 10 000 domains in some cases out there, and suddenly u have great renewal costs, on names, which as you put it, you simply do not know when the next inquiry or sale may come. cause we're not talking the liquid type here.

maybe I should do something about my idea.

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domain name renewal share could be done via a NP thread eg those that want a fellow investor to share renewal costs etc can simply list the domain name they own in that thread? and anyone wanting to invest in that domain name eg buying half of that domain name etc would read that thread and choose to invest in the ones that most suit their domain portfolio etc ?

alternatively you would have to create a website yourself that would achieve the same result but would create the making up of lots of rules and regulations etc and getting people to visit your website etc when the people most likely to want to use such a service are already on this website and already familiar with and happy to abide by NP' s rules etc and the thread could be up and active this afternoon?

There was a site that did something like what you're describing. It was called www.Shares.com. They allowed you to buy shares in anything, from works of art to domain names.

They launched last year, but it looks like they are out of business already. Not sure.

sbweb said:

There was a site that did something like what you're describing. It was called www.Shares.com. They allowed you to buy shares in anything, from works of art to domain names.

They launched last year, but it looks like they are out of business already. Not sure.

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the concept works but the pricing strategy has to work too

great domain name tho and perfect for the concept which in itself is difficult to do because it would have cost a few $'s to buy the domain name alone

it such a concept is to work it would need to work like amazon or ebay and paypal etc

amazon will eventually profit from just about every purchase and also make money from delivering it etc

and ebay used to make money from what you bought and how you paid via paypal etc

but domain name registrars should offer a part exchange service so that a person or business can give back a domain they no longer want to own and get some money back for it that they can use to buy a domain name they do want - paypal should become a domain name registrar that would address all domain name issues straight away

http://fusu.com/ ?

Kate said:

http://fusu.com/ ?

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I was just about to say I remember one a while back that was using a 4L.com and there you go! Thanks Kate!

By the way I also have seen that that 4.cn has such a feature on their platform.

Kate said:

http://fusu.com/ ?

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just had a look at it and liked it

do you know anyone that has used it? and or uses it?

that is where the domain industry will be going as at the moment the value of a domain is at best guesswork
but a domain name stockmarket gives a domain name and exact valuation

and how come fuso isnt mentioned on np

quick look it shows me last news piece writtten 8 or so years ago.. which is not a biggie really.. but account ceration didn't work for me.. which is kinda of a biggie.

has anyone tried the 4.cn domain name finance? lots of Chinese losing money in the stock market. many are running to domains or any kind of life raft to stay afloat or recoup losses. this domain finance thing could be like a "mutual fund" for China investors to spread/hedge their "bets" on a bunch of domains they think will sell down the road and they can make some decent profits. better than 20%? maybe? also as mentioned many Chinese lost big money in the recent stock market crash and don't have as much as they use to so this domain finance thing could be another form of micro investing? at least at 4.cn. Another example of the Chinese "borrowing" and idea from the west and making it their own. I'm sure they copied fusu.com.

what do you all think?

Avtar629 said:

has anyone tried the 4.cn domain name finance? lots of Chinese losing money in the stock market. many are running to domains or any kind of life raft to stay afloat or recoup losses. this domain finance thing could be like a "mutual fund" for China investors to spread/hedge their "bets" on a bunch of domains they think will sell down the road and they can make some decent profits. better than 20%? maybe? also as mentioned many Chinese lost big money in the recent stock market crash and don't have as much as they use to so this domain finance thing could be another form of micro investing? at least at 4.cn. Another example of the Chinese "borrowing" and idea from the west and making it their own. I'm sure they copied fusu.com.

what do you all think?

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the way i see it and its purely a personal opinion but much is said on youtube etc last year that we are not that far from a $ currency crash? if this was to happen who would it affect? those with the most or quite a lot of us $? china must have quite a few us $ from tech products etc over the years? i am not for one minute saying that the us 4 would crash but if it did the us $ would be almost worthless? so if a currency you had a lot of for example could soon be worthless? would you not be buying good quality businesses etc that would be worth more than the currency you would be using to buy them?
that being the case etc it is effectively costing the chinese almost nothing in the long term to buy and in some case almost over pay for some domain names and the domain names is almost a separate issue because the chinese also like the .com domain name because it is seen as the globally recognized standard in domain names as being the best and with there only being a limited amount of .com's and even more limited number of good quality .com's as tech progresses the .com's the chinese are now buying will soar in value because we are still in the early stages of the internet

the internet is like the car - the first car was built late 1800's and only took us about 120 years to make cars driverless the internet still has a long long way to go and the chinese know it and long term they are buying the best domains possible from under the noses of the west without the west knowing and when the west finally realizes it will be too late and china will own the domain names that tech entrepreneurs will need and want to buy but the chinese will say sorry its not for sale - you can only buy what is for sale
and no amount of $'s can buy if the owner of the domain doesn't need $'s and doesn't want to sell

Nice concept,maybe it would be working someday..
Many people would like to own a % of LL.com or premiums

But it would become more complex though!

Domainatic said:

Nice concept,maybe it would be working someday..
Many people would like to own a % of LL.com or premiums

But it would become more complex though!

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it would be no different to the stockmarket eg buying shares in stocks a person can buy shares in a company via an online trading platform in under 2 minutes - {no guessing what the stock is worth because you can see exactly what its worth on the screen and when you login to your account your portfolio value is there in front of you as an actual figure which changes every 30 secs or a minute just refresh screen etc and figure changes etc the same could be done with domain names and the more i think about it i have just this second worked out how there a domain stockmarket could work although the fusu system is perfect because any bid to purchase a part of a domain name that is mutually agreed with the existing domain name owner gives the whole domain name an actual numerical value - if $100 buys 20% of a domain that 20% gives that domain name a $500 valuation and if an offer for a $1000 came in for that domain name both the existing owner of the domain name who then would own 80% of the domain name and the investor that owns 20% of the domain name could either individually agree or refuse to sell or one could sell and one could refuse to sell and it wouldn't matter but lets just say that the 80% stake was bought for $800 there could be a clause that said that any existing stake in a domain name would increase in value per % of stake to the new price paid by new investor wether the existing investor decides to sell or refuse to sell and stay as an investor of that domain

or you could give each letter of the alphabet a financial value and each number a financial valie so instantly every domain name has a financial value as a fair starting point before any investment was recieved

imagine if a 2 letter .com had a $1 per letter valuation their would instantly be a bidding frenzy but it would find its level in excess of $1m or so

platey said:

it would be no different to the stockmarket eg buying shares in stocks a person can buy shares in a company via an online trading platform in under 2 minutes - {no guessing what the stock is worth because you can see exactly what its worth on the screen and when you login to your account your portfolio value is there in front of you as an actual figure which changes every 30 secs or a minute just refresh screen etc and figure changes etc the same could be done with domain names and the more i think about it i have just this second worked out how there a domain stockmarket could work although the fusu system is perfect because any bid to purchase a part of a domain name that is mutually agreed with the existing domain name owner gives the whole domain name an actual numerical value - if $100 buys 20% of a domain that 20% gives that domain name a $500 valuation and if an offer for a $1000 came in for that domain name both the existing owner of the domain name who then would own 80% of the domain name and the investor that owns 20% of the domain name could either individually agree or refuse to sell or one could sell and one could refuse to sell and it wouldn't matter but lets just say that the 80% stake was bought for $800 there could be a clause that said that any existing stake in a domain name would increase in value per % of stake to the new price paid by new investor wether the existing investor decides to sell or refuse to sell and stay as an investor of that domain

or you could give each letter of the alphabet a financial value and each number a financial valie so instantly every domain name has a financial value as a fair starting point before any investment was recieved

imagine if a 2 letter .com had a $1 per letter valuation their would instantly be a bidding frenzy but it would find its level in excess of $1m or so

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yea they should put out an agreement beforehand so no problems when they decide to sell for a profit...
If this thing's gonna happen

its quite simple now i think of it - each letter in a domain name and each number in a domain name or every character including the full stops and letters in a .com and the www's lol would start off at $1 each

eg www.????.com would have a valuation of $12 but we know straight away that a 4L .com at $12 would attract a lot of people wanting to buy in to it etc {good luck trying to find investment in a 27 character domain plus www's and .com lol

platey said:

its quite simple now i think of it - each letter in a domain name and each number in a domain name or every character including the full stops and letters in a .com and the www's lol would start off at $1 each

eg www.????.com would have a valuation of $12 but we know straight away that a 4L .com at $12 would attract a lot of people wanting to buy in to it etc {good luck trying to find investment in a 27 character domain plus www's and .com lol

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Lol...
I think its useless...
It should only be for premium domains.

any system has to start at a flat rate across the board and the quality of the domain and competition to buy in to that domain will determine the real value of that domain and just as the stockmarket has different markets so would the domain name stockmarket eg 1L .com having its own market as would 2L .com's and so on so domain investors could decide the level of their investment etc

Think about it like this:

If you put your LLLL.com which is priced at 250$ on the board.
Would you like to partner with 5 or 7 partners?

I wouldnt even partner with one for lower prices..Just makes the game a lot more difficult

https://z.com/ :D